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This thread is for posting new "options" or complaints that previous ideas have been overlooked. As mentioned above, we are aware that the list of current options does not reflect all permutations and combinations of ideas submitted. If you feel, therefore, that an idea you feel strongly about is represented, but is combined with another idea to form an option that on the whole you do not support, you may want to make the case for that option to be amended in its specific thread.
Submitted on Tue, 2008-02-26 14:13
A complaint
Well you have invited them. I suggested that funding for parties should come from a compulsory levy collected through tax on all enfranchised people to create a finite ring- fenced pot of money. ?15% of the fund can be claimed on an equal share basis retropsectively for invididuals wishing to stand for lection to produce their own manifesto, which may or may not align with current mainstream party political thinking. After a set period allowed for study of the manifestos individuals can nominate the candidate to whom they wish the balance of their individual contribution to be given for electoral activities. Such a system of funding collection and distribution would satisfy many of the points put forward so far by contributors to this stage. Intelligent people cannot reasonably be expected to vote for a vaguely defined and sometimes contradictory group of options. They need to be confident that those promeoting te options understand how they will operate and that all aspects create a coherent whole.
Submitted on Tue, 2008-02-26 22:54
Tax levy
By no means all people with the franchise pay (income) tax currently; would you propose a similar deduction from pensions and benefits? (Or an "attributed" allocation from VAT?) On the other hand, of course, by no means all income-tax payers are entitled to vote, so your proposal would mean the non-voter paying less tax than the voter. Neither situation seems attractive or likely to conduce to a deeper engagement with the political process or more accepting and inclusive communities. I must admit I don't understand your first stage allocation. The idea of parties making "retrospective" claims can work, though it is biased ,as has been said, towards the status quo. On what basis could individuals do so? As for your second stage, what proportion of the electorate, even with the incentive of allocating money, packaged as a bet that could affect the outcome, is likely to perform such an exercise and what miniscule percentage of that would do so upon the basis you propose? (I take it you're not envisaging a franchise restricted to people around this website, though manifesto-reading is, I imagine, by no means universal even among us, still less that of candidates' personal statements.) What would happen to all the unallocated money? This all does seem to be getting terribly complicated and unreal.
Submitted on Wed, 2008-02-27 12:15
Tax levy 2
How much does it take to pay for electioneering - or perhaps more correctly - how much should we allow to be spent? Yes I would take £2.00 from everyone with the franchise every year. If, having paid, those who hold the franchise cannot be bothered to follow through on reading the manifestos of aspirants for election in their ward and then deciding to whom they wish to give the remainder of their 'banked' contribution the contribution will be available to be spread pro rata according to how others have nominated their banked sum. Like any process knocked out on the back of an envelope it needs refinement - but this entire phase 2 debate is about all the flaws in the other systems and we haven't agreed on how to solve those either yet. About the only thing we agree so far is the need to eliminate so far as we can opportunities for impropriety - although I perfer to call a spade what it is - corruption. If people do not read manifetos - on what basis do they cast a vote? But you are right - when you ask them, few people read the proposed European Constitution but a great many have sounded off against it. As others outside this forum have said - with rights come responsibilities. Novelty always seems strange until it is thought through and worked up. We could perhaps adopt the Australian practice of making voting compulsory?
Submitted on Wed, 2008-02-27 23:10
Tax levy 3
It's very useful to have a figure for the levy, though difficult to see £2 as sufficient incentive to read several manifestos even for the poorest voters. What about the not insignificant proportion of voters who are illiterate or functionally literate at that level of performance? I think we ought to strive to accept the electorate as it actually is, with the very wide range of reasons or motivations from the deliberative through the self-interested (rational/well-founded or not) and the maintenance of traditions and quasi-communal identifications to the arbitrary, it has for voting or not, in this exercise, just as have to accept very different capacities, interests, identities and life-histories. We are in danger here of ending up with arguments for restricting the franchise -you have to pass a test on what the parties say, if not what the facts of the matter are, to vote-out of perfectionism. If the freedom to engage in politics does not also include the freedom not to engage, then it's a pretty impoverished and shrunken thing, that excludes important modes of human flourishing, if not a self-contradiction. I would not support compulsory voting myself. We have, I think, to be very wary of the mantra of "rights and responsibilities" in this, as in so many other areas, not least because of the tendency to end up with an appreciable extension of burdens and restrictions upon individuals, rather than enablements or arights.
Submitted on Fri, 2008-02-29 15:16
voter-driven state funding
Each voter would be able, in any election, to allocate a fixed sum of state funding to one party or independent candidate of their choice, allocated by separate vote at the same time as they cast their election vote. Candidates and parities would be able to raise funds by donation and fund-raising activity in addition, but donations would only be permitted from individuals, and be limited to a modest maximum per person per anum (Rational: any other state funding system unduly favours larger parties; and for second part, democracy should be driven by the electorate, not corporations).
Submitted on Sun, 2008-03-02 13:32
New option - Addressing the democratic deficit
Answering the question of party funding is only meaningful if it contains within it the aim of increasing the democratic legitimacy of those who serve, or aspire to serve, in political office. Any reform designed to do that will need to achieve at the very least two objectives: (a) a substantial increase in voter turn-out at both general and local elections, and (b) significantly increased political participation through party membership. Both are measurable and are key indicators of a system's democratic legitimacy. {Ed. Facilitators try not to have any preferences. Peter Emerson.}
Submitted on Mon, 2008-03-03 10:44
neither party nor individuals should fund parties
the political classes are blackmailing us into supporting state funding by claiming they will have to accept bribes if we don't! but the truth is they need neither state funding nor donations from rich individuals. all income should be derived from membership fees only which should be capped to prevent a few individuals trying to get around the rules.according to wikipedia the tories have 290,000 members, labour 200,000 (tho' another site suggested this had fallen to 150,000) and the libdems 70,000.multiplying this by their membership fees they have incomes of:tories: £7,250,000labour: at least £1,800,000 (150k x min.fee of £12)libdems: at least £700,000 (70k x min.fee of £10) this would mean no-one could spend more than £700k/yr though i would have no objection to lowering this even further. the question is, why do they need to spend money "getting their message across" at all? all they need is enough to set up a website with their policies clearly displayed which would cost them just a few hundred pounds a year.as for the excess income they receive, they could either spend it on research (but it would have to be monitored to ensure they weren't using that to influence voters' opinions) or reduced by reducing membership fees or even given to charity :) perhaps if we all join forces we can convince jon bright to put in an option N to limit funding to membership fees only?
Submitted on Sun, 2008-03-02 20:52
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