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Help us decide the new structure and direction of the oD forumsRSS feeds for individual
RSS feeds for individual threads. It's barbaric that in this day and age I have to actually come to the site and manually scroll to the end of a thread to see new comments. That is all. Wait - and an "ignore" function for posters! I know all the arguments against - but I think it would really raise the tone of the some of the threads. Right. Neither of those are what you asked for in your post. But... there you are. Like the idea of a UK Politics section. Perhaps separate out US domestic and International politics as well? Help us decide the new
RSS feeds for threads should be doable. I agree an ignore function might also help; I'll talk to Tony (our editor-in-chief) about it. Do you think separating out US domestic and International politics might lead to too much balkanisation? I think we should keep some sort of conflicts/security thread instead to focus discussion on Afghanistan etc. Help us decide the new
Do you think separating out US domestic and International politics might lead to too much balkanisation? Good point. What I was looking for was simply a way of separating discussion of US domestic politics from more emotive topics like Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan... (Although, obviously, there is considerable overlap). A Conflicts/Security section would probably work just as well. If an ignore option is added then ideally it should be reversible as well - so that if a couple of posters are bogging down a thread with uninteresting bickering (or just spamming the forum) we can block them out for a while and avoid missing out on the more interesting posts. While we're discussing ideas - maybe a "recommended" section, where the mods/technical boffins/whoever can put threads they think reflect well on the forums? As a way of enticing newbies? Good luck with the whole relaunch. Help us decide the new
Yes, the ignore function should be reversible. I'm not sure I'm convinced by the recommended posts idea - it might not be implemented consistently, and it's no clear where we'd display the threads (we could 'alias' them in a separate forum, which I guess was your idea, but if people spend too much time there it deprives other threads of attention). Good luck with the whole relaunch. Thanks - do give us your feedback when it happens. Help us decide the new
It’s a bit difficult to imagine how the “new features, a new structure, a new look” will actually look, perhaps that’s why you get so few answers. I’d rather first have a look, and complain, no applaud of course, later. Can you give us a bit more of an idea? Not too much balkanisation, please. Now we have almost all discussions in 2 categories, conflicts and democracy&power, and we are digressing anyway whenever we can, so what’s the use of categories? Matt, just curious: how long is your list of candidates for the ignore button? Help us decide the new
Matt, just curious: how long is your list of candidates for the ignore button? Let's just say that there may well be weeks where the only posts I see on oD are my own. :-) Seriously, though... I'm not looking to ignore users permanently. I enjoy reading the views of everyone here - especially those who see things differently to me. (Which is most of you on some topic or other). However, I think that all of us (myself included) have a tendency to become bogged down in rapid-fire "discussions" that are of little interest to other readers. The recent thread on healthcare is a good example - it seemed that every time I came back to the site there were another fifty or so comments, mainly going over the same ground. The ability to block out certain users, on a short-term basis, would, I think, make visiting oD a slightly more rewarding experience. Help us decide the new
Momo - the suggestions which would be most helpful now concern the new structure for the forums. We can certainly create the new structure first and then get your opinion - and of course, seeing how it works in practice will be important - but it's not ideal to then have to change it again, as it's then not clear where old threads should go. Commenting on the new look and features only once you can see them certainly makes sense - they'll be visible on the main site from Monday, and it would be possible for us to hold off on upgrading the forums 'til after you've seen them there. Help us decide the new
Stop thinking of it as a train set. Keep it VERY simple and don't chop it up so much. You do not get the traffic that other web sites get such as Guido Fawkes, and empty forums are dead forums. Help us decide the new
I think that's sensible owly (and ties in to Momo's point about most discussion currently occurring in conflicts and democracy&power). What minimal set of forums would you imagine? I think there's a good case for having a forum for 'US Politics' as that's the subject of so much discussion and is a less vague description than 'democracy & power'. Help us decide the new
...though for what it's worth, we get more traffic than Guido Fawkes as best I can tell (it's hard to tell very reliably, I'm using tools like Alexa). It's just not the same sort of traffic - not readers who check a single blog and comment very regularly. Help us decide the new
I shouldn’t have called it “digressing” (we do that too). The recent thread on neo-liberal attacks on all sorts of social security is a good example. Matt calls it thread on health care, though it was started as a “American citizens scaring socialist president” thing. Which category fits? Do we want to sort the threads along geographical terms (which would have been US politics) or thematically? The more I think about it: we should leave geography out of it. Help us decide the new
More traffic? I have always likened this place to an ongoing episode of Highlander. There can be only one and I intend to be the last. But seriously, the opendemocracy forums are a gathering, no a cornucopia of perfection. Even if they weren't, you can't change anything. I look upon this discussion as an unsettling and therefore senseless effort to cause trouble in our little place. I object. A quote box would be nice. An ignore function would be good also. Help us decide the new
Why would you need an ignore function ? This is a discussion forum, not a bloody chat room. If you don't want to read what someone has written, don't read it. Such a function (ignore) is against the spirit of the forums and smacks of being anti-democratic. I do not see the traffic in these forums to warrant very much chopping up. The traffic is not a fraction of what it use to be - and I speak as possibly the longest contributor. I would think about no more than 4 general headings. Anything more and it will become a bother to find things. As to your traffic as opposed to Guido look at the amount of comment he gets. He has the most widely read political blog. Other big blogs are Ian Dale and ConservativeHome, possibly also CoffeeHouse at the Spectator. From what I can see, while this is a different site, it isn't in their league. Help us decide the new
Owly, Such a function (ignore) is against the spirit of the forums and smacks of being anti-democratic. I can appreciate your concern, but I think it's unfounded. It seems to me that 90% of the posts on oD come from a small group of individuals. Consequently, posts from less frequent members (such as yourself) can often get lost (especially in the more heated discussions). An ignore function would allow us to temporarily tune out the "noisier" members and find the "quieter" ones. At the moment this has to be done manually, scrolling through pages of comments - an automatic means would simply make this task easier, rather than dramatically change the nature of the forums. Besides, if it's "undemocratic" that you're worried about, surely the fact that posts can be edited or deleted and users banned by unelected individuals should be a more pressing worry? Help us decide the new
Actually I was one of the more frequent posters; I have not been around (at home with net access) of late that's all. And there has been little worth commenting upon. The ability to filter posts is a different matter to being able to ignore a poster. That is actually what you want. As this is a 'left of centre' site one is not surprised at 'undemocratic' activities. After all it is the left which have just foisted upon us all the Lisbon Treaty having promised a referendum which was promised in 2005. Help us decide the new
owly, most of our traffic goes to our longer articles, not to blogs or forums, which you'd expect to get more comments-per-visitor... Help us decide the new
If you are looking for a healthy forum community environment here and not the dysfunctional one you see here today you might want to look at having the moderators be more involved in discussions that they think are getting out of hand - and that intervening should be done through pm's. They should also be united not argue with each other. I wonder what would happen to the complaints about not reading the entire thread before commenting? Isnt the idea is to encourage discussion not to shield one person from a brief moment that disrupts his comfort zone? I object to the effort to inject more dyfunction into the forums although that will probably add to the surreal entertainment this place occasionally provides. It would also be nice if opendemocracy didnt allow someone to flood the forums with posts that that person never intends to comment on. It presents the forums as a storage facility for one persons suggested reading material. Not a place for discussion. It would also be helpful to be able to change the color of the forums in your account settings. Like to have the option of for instance a black background and white words? Other forums have that. How about our recent comments be on the front page along with the others? Now, I'm just about certain what I've said will be ignored like every other suggestion I've made about this If so, in the future opendemocracy can say who they aren't requesting an input from and I won't have to waste my time on this. Thanks. Help us decide the new
Candace - I suspect the colour-inversion is a feature of different forum software, but of course I'll look into it. I'll make sure your other suggestions are at least considered, though we'll only be able to turn to them after getting the new site running smoothly. Help us decide the new
We're launching soon - furious work behind the scenes, etc. For now, Tony's decided to start with just one catch-all forum, adding the ability to tag posts; we can then branch out from there, depending on what you guys think. As I mentioned, the old forums will still be accessible as an archive so discussions already there needn't die. Fingers crossed, and remember that this is all very provisional! Help us decide the new
I remember when this version was launched a lot of us werent able to sign on. If we all suddenly disappear.. you know what I'm saying. :-) Just a test
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Hi forum members - to those (probably most of you) who don't know me, I'm web developer and associate editor at openDemocracy. In the former role I've been working on a new website for oD which is due to launch soon, the current target being November the 9th, the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall.
As part of this process we plan to roll the forums back into openDemocracy's main website and give them new features, a new structure, a new look and a prominent link across the main site. I hope we can pay them more attention than they've perhaps received in the past, and I would encourage current posters to visit around the relaunch to help create a lively community.
The change most in need of your feedback is the forums' new structure. The existing forums are named after the editorial 'themes' from openDemocracy's early days; we've since moved away from organising our navigation around these themes (as we now have a more steady stream of topical articles), and they will remain on the new site purely as a way to navigate archive material. In their place, we will categorise articles using (hopefully less nebulous) topics: Civil society, Conflict, Culture, Democracy and government, Economics, Ideas, International politics, the Internet, and Science (including climate change).
So I think it makes sense to create a new revision of forums which better organises the debate. (We'd still keep the old forums with the old division available as an archive.) In particular, 'democracy and power' might be broken up, and forums for 'US politics' and 'UK politics' added, as these subjects take up a lot of the debate and so should be separated out from other discussions. Our questions for current posters are:
What new forums would make sense?
Do you have opinions on what a good overall structure would be?
Should any of the current forum names be preserved?
How else should we change the forums?